the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. it needs to stop. i'm moderately optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. >> the president realizes after weeks of saying no they will get it done at the first time. they realize for the first time we may go off the cliff. harris. >> harris: they do call them experts for a reason the ones telling us this would be coming. >> plan a was basically the dramatic 4 trillion-dollar debt plan, the so-called big deal. then you had plan b from john boehner, that failed as well. this is basically plan c. just deal with extending tax cuts for the middle class. deal with unemployment benefits running out for 2 million people and then deal with some small spending cuts. but not deal with the big, big spending cuts on medicare and some of those entitlement programs. that's one thing that frustrates republicans. they think the can is being kicked down on an important piece of this. spending. i can tell you earlier today republican ron lamar said the president is not doing enough. >> we need two